COVID19 - What has the last 2 years taught us and how should we proceed in a sustainable way? An Economist (Dr Carmelo Ferlito) and a PropTech Futurist (Jason Ding) have a conversation on what we've seen in our respective fields and what it takes to forge a better, brighter future in light of the endemic. DR CARMELO FERLITO is the CEO of the Center for Market Education (CME), Senior Fellow at the Institute for Democracy and Economic Affairs (IDEAS), Research Advisor for Provalindo Nusa (Jakarta), Senior Fellow at the Property Rights Alliance (Washington DC) and adjunct Professor at the School of Liberal Arts & Sciences, Taylor’s University. JASON DING is Co-Founder and CMO of MHub, Malaysia's leading end-to-end property transaction platform capturing 28.3% of the nation’s total primary residential transactions in 2020. Current accumulated bookings are 170,000+ from 1,100+ projects with a total value of USD 26 billion. 10 out of the top 15 biggest real estate developers in Malaysia use MHub.